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Battle of the Five Armies Just Has No Story

lawyernovelist:

I was going to do this as part of a general overview post, but then it got long. The basic problem, though, is that Battle of the Five Armies suffered from a complete lack of storytelling.

This wasn’t a story. This was a series of events arranged in chronological order. Nothing really built, there was no arc for any of the characters, and most of it was pointless.

Cut for spoilers for The Hobbit (book and movies) and some mild spoilers for Lord of the Rings (books and movies).

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Stumbled on this. Quite glad even though it’s long and actually is even longer, considering all the long sub-posts it links to. Because while I have neither energy nor time to go into detail about what my problems with botfa are and how I feel it, and the series, could be better, vicariously living the postulations is much needed therapy I didn’t know I need. Especially when the responses I got on a forum where I shared my thoughts tended towards vocal supporters determined to justify the problems I see with the movies (I wasn’t convinced by any shot), or had issues but were not expressed well or countered thoughtfully, this is an interesting find.

There is discussion on all the major characters, their characterisations and arcs. Bonus; the book is held up for reference too.

I am in total agreement with the premise the movie is basically a moving sequence of events. To me, it’s reminiscent of a quest game – hit certain marks in a certain order and score! Turn it on, finish it or don’t. Restart it, or give it up. It doesn’t matter. My problem is I WANT IT TO, DAMMIT!

I’ve said and expressed my piece, quite a few times, as recently as this morning but it bears saying again, so here goes.

This trilogy is based on a book, lovingly crafted with attention to details, but it is not quite with the book. It is a mass-market movie but strangely finely-tuned with rather significant nods and easter-eggs that fly right over the mass market audience.

The open secret is that knowledge of the book, and associated publications that is not going to be read by the average mass-market audience turns out to be at least beneficial to understanding the unexplained stuff in the movie. This in turn frustrates, if not infuriate, the reader, because it is replete with obtuse story-telling, unfathomable creative choices and hanging plotgaps for which resolution MIGHT BE delivered in the extended edition… which leaves the larger population of the mass-market theatrical release… where?

I’m not done with all the related posts on this post, and I’m sure I’m not going to be shouting “Aye!” at every point in every one of them, but based on what I’ve read so far, I have to encourage people with hobbit/botfa issues to try them on for size, just on principle.

And conversely, I dare people who love and support the divisive hobbit/botfa stuff (you know of what/who I speak) to have a look, and not develop a shred of agreement at all.

I’m disappointed with a lot in the movies, but there are still things I like. And I am still hanging on to the one saving grace, to my mind, that this trilogy is not what Episodes I, II, III are to the Star Wars franchise. At least so far. But I am not going to let that stop me from finishing this excellent series of critiques by lawyernovelist.

Battle of the Five Armies Just Has No Story

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Movie: When social engineering has a spot at the drawing board [spoiler]

(With this post, my side-trip into BotFA/The Hobbit Movie feels, processing, and even quickie fix-it ficcing ends. The next post on Friday will pick up from where I left off with my notations for the Silmarillion chapters. Yes, the ANGST of Middle-earth cometh! Watch out for Reader: The Silmarillion. Quenta Silmarillion, Chapter 21 “Of Túrin Turambar”.)
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Thranduil_BotFAWith two viewings of BotFA, it’s enough to make me question if I want to go back for a third time. Very unusual for this fan of the Middle-earth movies. The thing is, I’ve been thinking, and I’m not happy it’s The Tauriel Conundrum having a field day(s) in my noggin, and not Thranduil’s visage. But the compound question of representation, political correction, affirmative action, and the emblematic social engineering in a movie series like The Hobbit is an interesting one.

(Fair warning. This is a LONG spiel, and there may be some controversial or uneasy to process thoughts about society after the cut, so look away now if it’s not your cuppa.)

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Movie: The Hobbit: The Battle of The Five Armies. My Random thoughts [spoiler]

(Note: The Silmarillion chapter notes are held-over for this week while I work through my impressions and thoughts about “The Hobbit: The Battle of The Five Armies”)

Thranduil_BotFAPlease note: Spoilers galore, for both movies and books after the cut.

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Reader: The Hobbit. Chapter 18 “The Return Journey”

The Hobbit Book CoverSummary Points

  • Bilbo awoke, by himself, still on Ravenhill.
  • He was found by a searcher, a Man, and apparently hadn’t been found earlier because he had his Ring on.
    • Gandalf certainly trusted in his ability to survive. He had been counted among the dead and the Man was on one last search for him.
    • The Man was clearly a strong healthy guy, he carried Bilbo, at speed, back down to the camp.

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Reader: The Hobbit. Chapter 15 “The Gathering of the Clouds”

The Hobbit Book CoverSummary Points

  • The Company had company, in the form of birds, and especially the old thrush.
  • Ravens were different from crows. and the Dwarves were acquainted with the ones who used to live in Erebor. Ravens are long-lived and could converse in the speech of men.

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Reader: The Hobbit. Chapter 13 “Not At Home”

The Hobbit Book CoverSummary Points

  • The Company sat in darkness for days waiting for Smaug to return.
  • Again, Bilbo’s spirits were strangely more uplifted just as the Dwarves’ sank low.
  • They tried, Bilbo’s third and at his suggestion, for the treasure room where he was sure there was an exit.

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Reader: The Hobbit. Chapter 12 “Inside Information”

The Hobbit Book CoverSummary Points

  • Finally the Company stood within the walls of the Erebor.
  • Thorin immediately called upon Bilbo to do his burglary duties
    • Balin was the only one to volunteer to accompany Bilbo as he was fond of the Hobbit. but even for him, the line was drawn at “come inside at least
      and perhaps a bit of the way too, ready to call for help if necessary.”

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Reader: The Hobbit. Chapter 11 “On The Doorstep”

The Hobbit Book CoverSummary Points

  • It took the Company 2 days by water and at least 1 more by land to get to the Desolation.
  • Thorin still remembered what the place was like, pre-Smaug. So did Balin who was with him.
  • The hidden door was on one of the western spurs of the Mountain. The Dwarves proceeded carefully here.

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